Milanote Alternatives by Job (2026): Six Different Reasons People Leave

Key Takeaways

• Storyflow is the best Milanote alternative for most people who leave: the closest to Milanote's visual-board workflow, with AI that builds the board from a brief or script, at $7.99 a month billed annually with no item cap.
• Six different complaints send people looking, and a single ranking cannot answer all of them. This page lists our pick first, then the right tool for each job.
• Storyflow answers three of the six by itself: AI, a board that has to carry status and structure for one project, and the 100-item cap at a lower paid price than Milanote's own.
• Miro and FigJam are the answer for a live workshop, because Storyflow has no timer or voting. Notion and Airtable are the answer for a database of many projects, because a Storyflow table cannot be filtered.
• If the tool has to cost nothing, the answer is Obsidian Canvas, Notion Free or Figma's free Starter plan. Storyflow has no free plan today.
• Milanote is still the calmest board to read, with a free plan and native apps, and that is a real property nothing here beats.
• Check export before migrating. Boards move badly between products; plan a rebuild, and move new work rather than old work.

Last updated October 11, 2026. Competitor prices were read on each vendor's own pricing page that day. This page used to carry one rating per tool; it was removed, because a single number cannot answer six different reasons for leaving.

Six Reasons People Leave

People leave Milanote for six reasons: the 100-item free cap, no AI, light team collaboration, no structure or status, the price, and a board that is too calm for power users. Storyflow is the alternative that answers the first, second and fourth on one board; the other three have other answers.

In roughly this order of frequency:

1. The free plan's 100-item cap. By far the most common. A single moodboard reaches it, because the cap counts every note, image and link across the whole account.
2. AI. Milanote's plans page lists no AI features, and people increasingly expect a tool that builds the board for them. This is the gap Storyflow was built around.
3. Real-time collaboration. Milanote handles sharing, comments and live editing for a small group; a facilitated session with a timer and voting is not its job.
4. Structure and status. Boards are good for thinking and bad for "which of these forty items is done, and who owns it".
5. Cost. $9.99 a month per person, billed annually, for a tool used occasionally.
6. It is too calm. A genuine minority want density, keyboard shortcuts and power-user speed rather than a serene board.

Each of those has a different right answer, and mixing them into one ranking is why most lists in this category are unhelpful. The next section gives the answer to each, with Storyflow listed where it honestly wins and conceded where it does not.

The Answer to Each

Storyflow is our pick for three of the six reasons and a partial answer to a fourth. Miro, Notion and Obsidian Canvas each win the job they were built for. Use the row that matches your reason, and read the "choose instead" column before you move anything.

If your reason is not on that list, you may not have a Milanote problem. A surprising share of people looking for an alternative are actually looking for a habit, because the board went stale and the tool got blamed.

What Milanote Is Genuinely Best At

Milanote is best at being looked at: a calm, legible board of references arranged by hand, with a free plan, native apps and a client link that needs no login. Storyflow matches the board and the client link and adds the AI; Storyflow does not match the free plan or the apps today.

Worth stating plainly, because most alternatives lists skip it and it decides whether you should move at all.

Milanote is the calmest board to read. That sounds soft and it is a real property. A Milanote board is legible at a glance in a way Miro boards are not, because Milanote constrains layout and Miro does not. For a board whose job is to be looked at rather than worked in, that constraint is the feature.

Milanote's templates are good, particularly for creative work: moodboards, project briefs, film planning.

Milanote handles images better than most, which matters because most Milanote boards are largely images. It also has a Web Clipper for saving them from the browser.

Milanote has almost no learning curve. People produce something useful in ten minutes.

Milanote runs where you are. Its product page lists a mobile app, an iPad app and a desktop app. Storyflow runs in the browser only.

Milanote has a free plan that never expires. 100 notes, images or links and 10 file uploads, with unlimited shared boards. Storyflow has nothing to set against that today.

If none of the six complaints above matches your reason for looking, staying is the right call.

Comparison Table

Storyflow is the first row because it is our overall pick: the closest to Milanote's visual-board workflow, with AI that builds the board. Every other row says when to choose that tool over Storyflow. Milanote is the last row, as the baseline you are leaving. Prices are per month on annual billing, read on October 11, 2026.

How to read it: the AI and co-editing columns are our judgement from each vendor's own pages. Milanote's AI cell reads "None listed" because its plans page, product page and help center showed no AI feature on October 11, 2026 (the help center mentions AI only to say board content is not used to train it). Storyflow is marked Good, not Excellent, on live co-editing because Miro, FigJam and Figma are built for a room of people at once and Storyflow is built for a project team. Storyflow's free-plan cell is the weakest in its row and it is stated as it is.

How We Evaluated These Tools

Storyflow is our product and it is listed first as our overall pick; the tools after it are ordered by the job each one answers, not by a score. Four criteria decided which tool answers which job, judged from each vendor's own product, help and pricing pages.

1. Does it solve one of the six complaints cleanly? A tool that partially addresses four is worse than one that fully addresses the one you have. Storyflow is first because it cleanly solves three: AI, the cap at a lower paid price, and status on the board.
2. Does it keep Milanote's actual strength? Legibility at a glance is the thing people miss after moving and did not know they valued. A visual canvas with drag and drop counts; a database does not.
3. Cost at the shape people actually use, which is usually one to five people, with occasional guests. Billing shape matters more than the sticker: per person, per member, per seat type or per editor.
4. Migration cost. How much manual reconstruction moving a board involves, which is more than any vendor implies.

What this page does not do: it does not time the tools against each other, and it no longer gives each tool one rating out of ten. The earlier version did, and the number hid the point of the page, which is that the right answer changes with the reason.

Tool Reviews

1. Storyflow

Storyflow is the closest alternative to Milanote's visual-board workflow, with AI that builds the board. Storyflow is a visual AI workspace: an infinite canvas where a project's notes, to-dos, tables, documents, images, moodboards, storyboards, kanban boards and mind maps sit together on boards, and an AI agent that reads the board and builds on it. Storyflow is our product and is listed first as our overall pick. The side-by-side is on the Storyflow as a Milanote alternative page.

Best for: turning a brief or a script into a visual project board, then into the plan and the deliverables, without placing every card by hand. That covers designers, filmmakers, photographers, marketers and writers whose Milanote board feeds a client or a deadline.

What Storyflow does for a Milanote switcher:

• AI turns a brief or script into a board. Storyflow's AI builds whole working boards from a plain-language ask or attached files: organized walls of cards, moodboards, storyboards, shot lists, kanban boards, tables, task lists and content calendars. Storyflow's AI asks a clarifying question or two first, then stages the result as a proposal you accept or discard.
• Infinite canvas, drag and drop. Storyflow keeps the kind of board Milanote users know: notes, images, links, files and to-dos placed anywhere, with walls (titled columns of cards) doing the job of Milanote's columns.
• Templates. Storyflow has 200+ Tactics, expert creative templates such as Hero's Journey, Pixar Story Spine, AIDA and StoryBrand, plus menu workflows such as Build a moodboard for my project, Brief my campaign and Plan my content calendar.
• Status on the board. Storyflow tables have status, person and date cells, kanban boards hold the pipeline, and any to-do takes an assignee and a due date.
• Moodboard, shot list and call sheet in one workflow. Ask Storyflow for a moodboard and the AI collects and lays out references; select the approved pictures and it builds a shot list around them; ask for a call sheet and it drafts the PDF.
• Export as PDF. Storyflow boards export as PNG, SVG or PDF, and the AI designs a pitch deck, slides, a one-pager, a creative brief or a lookbook from the board.
• Real-time collaboration. Storyflow has real-time co-editing on every paid plan, and anyone a paid member invites to a board joins free.
• Share a link with clients. A Storyflow view-only link opens with no account needed to view; the client signs in to comment or draw.
• Works from ChatGPT and Claude. Storyflow's MCP connector lets ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini and Grok read your projects and build boards and documents in them. Setup is on the MCP page.
• Context the AI can read. Storyflow's AI reads the current board plus up to five documents and three other boards you attach, and looks at the images you select, up to 24.

Pricing: Storyflow is paid-only during early access: Plus is $7.99 a month billed annually ($9.99 monthly) with unlimited projects, images, files and links; Pro is $14 billed annually ($19 monthly) and adds AI image generation and memory across conversations; Max is $39 billed annually ($49 monthly) and adds a Team Workspace with roles and permissions. The Free plan launches before the end of 2026, and anyone a paid member invites to a board joins free. Team discounts start from 3 seats (pricing).

Pros: Storyflow's AI builds the board instead of handing you an empty one; the brief, references, plan and deliverables share one canvas; Storyflow Plus costs $2 a month less than Milanote's paid plan and has no item cap; invited collaborators join free.

Cons: no free plan today, which is the most common reason people leave Milanote; browser only, with no native apps and no offline use; no timer or voting for workshops; a table cannot be filtered or reordered by a column, so Storyflow is not a database; Milanote remains calmer to read.

Choose something else when: the tool must be free (Obsidian Canvas, Notion Free), the board is a live workshop (Miro), or the work is a database of many projects (Notion, Airtable).

2. Miro

Miro is the clear answer if live collaboration is your complaint, and the one job on this page where Miro beats Storyflow outright. Multiplayer is excellent, facilitation tools (private mode, voting, timers) change the quality of a session, and the library holds 7,000+ Miro and community templates.

What you lose is calm. Miro boards sprawl, and a Miro board three weeks after a workshop is markedly harder to read than a Milanote board of the same content. The free plan keeps only your three most recent boards editable, and per-member pricing adds up.

Best for: teams that meet on the board. Choose Miro over Storyflow when the session needs a timer, voting and private mode, none of which Storyflow has.

Pricing: Free with 3 editable boards and 10 AI credits a month; Starter $8 per member a month billed yearly ($10 monthly); Business $20 per member billed yearly.

Pros: the best live collaboration and facilitation here; a very large template library; timer, voting and private mode from Starter.

Cons: boards sprawl and go stale; three editable boards on Free; per-member cost; AI draws on monthly credits.

Verdict: move to Miro for the meeting, and to Storyflow for the project that comes out of it. Many teams run the workshop in Miro and build the project board in Storyflow afterwards.

3. FigJam

FigJam is the value answer for teams already in Figma, and the lowest paid seat on this page: $3 a month for a Collab seat, billed annually, against $7.99 for Storyflow Plus. Live co-editing is excellent, and people already working in Figma find it one click away.

FigJam is less calm than Milanote and lighter on templates for non-design work. Unlike Storyflow, FigJam is a whiteboard beside the design file rather than a place where the brief, the plan and the deliverables live.

Best for: design and product teams who brainstorm next to Figma files. Choose FigJam over Storyflow when the team already pays for Figma and the board feeds a design file, not a client deliverable.

Pricing: included on Figma's free Starter plan; a Collab seat is $3 a month billed annually, with AI credits on every plan.

Pros: the price; excellent multiplayer; already there for design teams.

Cons: the value depends on Figma; fewer creative templates; sprawls like any whiteboard.

Verdict: the cheapest way to put a team on a canvas. Storyflow is the better move from Milanote when the board is image-heavy creative direction that has to become a brief or a shoot.

4. Notion

Notion is the answer when the complaint is structure across many projects. A board tells you what exists; a database tells you what is done, who owns it and what is overdue. If your Milanote board has become a tracker for forty items, that part belongs in Notion, where Storyflow's tables stop short: a Storyflow table cannot be filtered or reordered by a column.

Notion is a poor visual board, so this is a split rather than a replacement. For one project, Storyflow keeps the status table on the same canvas as the references; for a portfolio of projects, Notion's database wins.

Best for: teams whose work is documents, wikis and databases. Choose Notion over Storyflow when you need to filter and query the work rather than see it laid out.

Pricing: Free for one person, with 5 MB uploads and 10 guests; Plus $10 per seat a month billed annually ($12 monthly); Business $20 ($24 monthly) with the full Notion AI.

Pros: the best structure and status; strong AI across a workspace on Business; excellent for prose.

Cons: poor as a visual board; full AI needs Business; a blank Notion costs setup time.

Verdict: pair it. Keep the visual project on a Storyflow board and the cross-project database in Notion.

5. Obsidian Canvas

Obsidian Canvas is the answer when the complaint is cost or density, and the free route Storyflow cannot offer today. Obsidian is free without limits, your boards are files on your own disk, and Canvas connects notes spatially inside a vault that is fully searchable.

There is no live co-editing built in, sharing between devices is the paid Sync add-on, and Obsidian asks for setup and plugin fiddling that neither Milanote nor Storyflow does.

Best for: one person who wants a free, local, dense board. Choose Obsidian Canvas over Storyflow when the tool must cost nothing, work offline and keep every file on your machine.

Pricing: free; Sync is $4 per user a month billed annually ($5 monthly). Obsidian's page says a commercial licence is encouraged for work use, not required.

Pros: free; local files you keep; works offline; excellent for linked research.

Cons: no built-in live collaboration; setup effort; weaker with images than Milanote; AI only through community plugins, where Storyflow's is built in.

Verdict: the best free answer on this page. Move to Storyflow instead when someone else has to open the board from a link, or when you want the AI to build it.

6. Airtable

Airtable is the answer when the board has become a list of many similar things with statuses. Grouped views and filters answer questions that neither a Milanote board nor a Storyflow table can. Airtable is not a visual thinking tool in any sense.

Best for: operations-minded teams tracking records. Choose Airtable over Storyflow when the thing you are managing is a list of 200 rows, not a board of references.

Pricing: Free plan; Team $20 per seat a month billed annually, with read-only collaborators at no charge.

Pros: the best structured tracking here; interfaces for read-only stakeholders.

Cons: not a board; the most expensive seat on this page; setup time.

Verdict: a database, not a Milanote replacement. Keep the creative board in Storyflow and link the base from it.

7. Figma

Figma is the answer if precision is the complaint, and particularly if a designer owns the board. Excellent multiplayer, exact layout, and increasingly where brand and design documentation lives. A Figma full seat costs $16 a month, and non-designers stay read-only in practice, which is the opposite of a Storyflow board a client can read.

Best for: designers who need exact layout. Choose Figma over Storyflow when the board is itself design work.

Pricing: free Starter plan; a Professional full seat is $16 a month, a Collab seat $3.

Pros: the most precise layout; excellent collaboration; strong design ecosystem.

Cons: a $16 full seat for every editor; non-designers will not maintain it.

Verdict: the design file, not the project board. Storyflow holds the brief, the references and the plan around it.

8. Whimsical

Whimsical is quicker than everything here for a clean diagram, and more constrained. If your Milanote boards are mostly flows and structures rather than images and text, Whimsical draws them better. Storyflow builds mind maps and flowcharts on request too, but Whimsical is the specialist for wireframes.

Best for: quick flowcharts, mind maps and wireframes. Choose Whimsical over Storyflow when the output is a diagram and nothing else.

Pricing: Free with 50 board objects and 50 doc blocks a month and watermarked exports; Pro $10 per editor a month on annual billing; viewers and guests are free.

Pros: very quick clean diagramming; opinionated in a useful way; free guests.

Cons: constrained for image-heavy boards; 50 objects a month on Free goes quickly.

Verdict: a diagram tool. For an image-led board that becomes a project, Storyflow is the closer replacement for Milanote.

Milanote Free Alternatives: What Is Actually Free

The free Milanote alternatives are Obsidian Canvas, Notion Free, Figma's free Starter plan with FigJam, Miro Free and Apple Freeform. Storyflow is not one of them: Storyflow has no free plan today, and the only free route is an invitation from a paid member. Here is what each free plan really gives you.

Best free Milanote alternative for one person: Obsidian Canvas. Free without limits, local files, works offline. It is dense rather than calm and it does not share a link the way Milanote and Storyflow do.

Best free Milanote alternative for notes and lists: Notion Free. Roomy for one person, weak as a visual board.

Best free Milanote alternative for a team: Figma's Starter plan with FigJam, then Miro Free if three editable boards are enough.

Where Storyflow fits in a free search. It does not, today. If free is the constraint, use one of the tools above and come back when the Storyflow Free plan launches, or ask a paying teammate to invite you to the board.

Apps like Milanote but free: the short list

If you searched for apps like Milanote but free, the closest in spirit are Apple Freeform (a free canvas on Apple devices) and Obsidian Canvas (a free canvas on your disk). Neither has Milanote's templates. The closest to Milanote's actual workflow is Storyflow, which is paid.

Is Milanote Free Forever? The 100-Item Cap Explained

Yes, Milanote's free plan has no time limit, but it caps the whole account at 100 notes, images or links and 10 file uploads. The cap counts items, not boards. Past it you pay $9.99 per person a month billed annually, or move to a tool with no cap, such as Storyflow Plus at $7.99.

Why people hit the cap so quickly. A single moodboard with forty images and twenty notes is more than half the allowance, and the second project finishes it. That is a pricing decision rather than a product failure.

What happens at item 101. You can no longer add cards. Milanote's help center says existing boards stay viewable, editable and exportable after a downgrade, so nothing is lost; you simply cannot add.

The three honest responses. Pay Milanote $9.99 if more cards is all you need. Move to Storyflow Plus at $7.99 if you also want the AI and the plan on the board. Move to Obsidian Canvas or Notion Free if the tool must stay free.

Milanote vs Miro, FigJam, Notion and Obsidian Canvas

Milanote vs Miro is the comparison most people type before they leave, followed by Notion, FigJam and Obsidian Canvas. Each is a different trade: Miro adds a team and loses the calm, Notion adds structure and loses the canvas, Obsidian adds free and loses the sharing. Storyflow is the move that keeps the visual board.

Milanote vs Miro

Choose Milanote for a board one person or a small studio reads; choose Miro for a board a team meets on. Miro's timer, voting and private mode have no equivalent in Milanote or Storyflow. If you were looking at Miro only because Milanote has no AI, Storyflow is the closer move: the same kind of board, built for you.

Milanote vs Notion

Choose Milanote to see the work and Notion to query it. Notion replaces a Milanote board only when the board was a list all along. Storyflow sits between them for one project: a canvas like Milanote's, with a status table and assigned to-dos on it.

Milanote vs FigJam

Choose FigJam when the team already pays for Figma and the board is a brainstorm; choose Milanote when the board is a moodboard a client will read. FigJam's $3 Collab seat is the lowest paid price here, below Storyflow's $7.99.

Milanote vs Obsidian Canvas

Choose Obsidian Canvas when the board must be free, offline and stored as your own files; choose Milanote when it must be shared from a link and look calm. Obsidian is a personal thinking tool. Storyflow is the opposite end: a shared project board with an AI that builds it.

What It Takes by Hand in Milanote vs in Storyflow

Milanote lists no AI, so every card, column and checklist on a Milanote board is placed by hand. In Storyflow you attach the brief or script, answer one or two questions and accept the proposal. The first table counts the steps that removes; the second gives the homepage figures for Storyflow's agent, with the standing of each figure stated.

The hand steps repeat for every card, row or slide; the Storyflow steps do not grow with the board.

The Storyflow column is the agent time shown on the Storyflow homepage: four figures are a single recorded run each and the poster is the median of 25 runs, so read them as what happened in a recorded run, not an average. Turning a board into slides has no recorded run; we estimate about 3 minutes, against about 5 hours by hand. The by-hand column is our own estimate at 1.5 minutes per card, row or to-do, 12 minutes per picture and 30 minutes per PDF page, slide or designed page, so treat it as a guide and time your own board.

Milanote Alternatives That Work Inside ChatGPT and Claude

Storyflow is the Milanote alternative you can reach from ChatGPT and Claude. Storyflow's MCP connector lets ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini and Grok read your Storyflow projects and build boards and documents in them, so a brief drafted in a chat becomes a board without a copy and paste. Setup is on the MCP page.

Two practical uses for someone leaving Milanote:

• Start where the brief already is. If you wrote the brief with ChatGPT or Claude, ask the assistant to build the moodboard and the task table on your Storyflow project. The board is there when you open Storyflow.
• Ask about the board from the chat. With the connector on, the assistant can read your Storyflow project, so "what is still missing from the launch board" is a question it can work on.

Miro's pricing page also lists an MCP server, with daily call limits by plan. Milanote's plans and product pages list no AI feature and no assistant connector, checked October 11, 2026.

What Each Milanote Alternative Costs

Storyflow Plus is $7.99 a month billed annually, below Miro ($8 per member), Milanote ($9.99 per person) and Notion ($10 per seat). Only FigJam's $3 Collab seat is a lower paid price on this page, and Obsidian Canvas is free. The billing shape decides the real bill.

For a team, count the people who need their own seat. On Storyflow, the people a paid member invites to a board join free, so a studio where one person owns the boards pays for one seat. Storyflow team discounts start from 3 seats and are shown on the pricing page; this page does not quote team totals. Milanote's flat $49 bundle is hard to beat once a team reaches about six people.

Which Milanote Alternative Fits Which Person?

Storyflow fits the person whose Milanote board feeds a client, a shoot, a campaign or a manuscript. Miro fits the facilitator, Notion the operations lead, Obsidian Canvas the solo researcher on a zero budget. Match the tool to what your board is for.

A Worked Example: One Launch Film, Moved in an Evening

Here is one realistic move from Milanote to Storyflow. A three-person video team is planning a 90-second product launch film. Their Milanote board holds 48 reference stills, 30 notes and 12 links, which is 90 of the free plan's 100 items, and the client has just sent a four-page script and asked for a shot list.

What did not move: the layout of the old Milanote board, which you rebuild by eye or let the AI regroup from the exported notes, and any comments, which you copy into a note first. What you gained: the script, the storyboard, the shot list and the status table are now on one board the AI can read, instead of on a moodboard and three other documents.

The honest limits of this example: Storyflow does not time an animatic, does not send the call sheet to the crew, and the storyboard frames need Pro or Max if you want them AI generated. For frame-by-frame client approval, a specialist such as Boords does that step better.

The Migration Problem

Boards do not import between products, so leaving Milanote is a rebuild, whichever tool you choose. Milanote exports a board as PDF, PNG, Word, Markdown or plain text, plus a ZIP of its files, and none of those opens as the same board elsewhere. Storyflow shortens the work after the export: its AI organises the notes and files you bring into walls, a task table and a brief.

Most people underestimate the rebuild, and every tool on this page, Storyflow included, needs one.

What Milanote gives you on the way out. Per Milanote's exporting help article, the formats are PDF Standard, PDF Large, PNG, Word, Markdown and plain text, plus a ZIP of every image and file on the board. PDF and PNG keep the look on one page; the text formats keep the words; the ZIP keeps the originals.

What Storyflow adds. Drop the ZIP's images and files on a Storyflow board, attach the Word or Markdown export to the AI chat, and ask Storyflow's AI to organise what you brought into walls, a task table and a brief. Storyflow has no Milanote importer, so the layout is rebuilt, not copied, and nothing lands until you accept the proposal.

Four consequences worth planning for:

Move new work, not old work. Start the next project in Storyflow, or whichever tool you chose, and leave existing boards where they are. Attempting a full migration is where people give up and stay by default.

Export your images first. They are the part that matters and the part hardest to reconstruct, and they are usually the reason the board exists.

Expect to lose the exact layout. Position carries meaning on a board, and it is exactly what does not survive an export. If layout is load-bearing, keep a PDF Large or PNG export of the board as the picture you rebuild from.

Keep the old account until you are sure. Downgrading to Milanote's free plan keeps boards viewable, editable and exportable, which is enough to retrieve things later.

When to Keep Milanote

Keep Milanote when your board only has to be looked at, when you are under 100 items, or when you need its mobile and desktop apps. Storyflow is the better tool once the board has to become a plan or a deliverable; until then, Milanote's calm board and free plan are the right choice.

• Your reason is not one of the six. A board that went stale needs a named owner and twenty minutes a week, not a new tool.
• Your only complaint is the cap. $9.99 for Milanote's paid plan is cheaper than the hours a migration costs, unless you also want the AI, in which case Storyflow Plus is $7.99.
• You work on a phone or offline. Milanote has native apps; Storyflow runs in the browser and needs a connection.
• The board is the deliverable. If nothing follows the moodboard, nothing is gained by moving it.

Prices and Sources Checked October 11, 2026

Every competitor price on this page comes from the vendor's own page, read on October 11, 2026. Where a page showed no figure we could read, the page says so instead of carrying an older number forward.

The Bottom Line

The best Milanote alternative is Storyflow: the closest to Milanote's visual-board workflow, with AI that builds the board from a brief or script, at $7.99 a month billed annually with no item cap, and reachable from ChatGPT and Claude. Then pick by job. A live workshop goes to Miro, a database of many projects to Notion, and free and dense to Obsidian Canvas, because Storyflow has no free plan today. If your reason is none of the six, you probably do not have a tool problem, and Milanote's own $9.99 plan is cheaper than the hours a migration will cost you. See Storyflow as a Milanote alternative to compare the two side by side.

Author

Justkay is a documentary filmmaker and the founder of Storyflow. He has migrated a large moodboard by hand and does not recommend it.